Is Harry the heir of Godric Gryffindor? Or descendant of other Houses?
It has been suggested Harry is the last Heir of Godric Gryffindor. What
is this based on?
When Harry was getting his first wand
it shot out red and gold sparks the colours of Gryffindor. (jsattary)
In the Chamber of Secrets Harry pulled Godric Gryffindor's
sword from the sorting hat and later Dumbledore tells him that only
a "true Gryffindor" could have done this. (jsattary)
Harry has a natural affinity with Fawks the Phoenix. Fawks
is scarlet with a gold tail - again the colours of Gryffindor. (jsattary)
Fawkes the Phoenix's coloring/plumage
does not have to do with Gryffindor: The traditional plumage fore
phoenixes in myths are scarlet and gold.(Rosalyn)
Fawks the Phoenix increases the courage of the pure of heart.
Fawks has helped Harry's courage in the Chamber of Secrets and when
fighting Voldemort after touching the Triwizard's cup. This shows
that Harry is pure of heart and has much courage and this is what
Godric Gryffindor favoured in his hand picked students. (jsattary)
Before Harry's parents died they lived in "Godric's Hollow"
Godric being Gryffindor's first name. (jsattary)
Harry birthday is on the 31st July which falls under the sign
of Leo the Lion, Gryffindor's mascot. (jsattary)
His birthstone is a ruby - which is scarlet, a Gryffindor colour.
Another intriguing thought is that if Harry was the heir of
Gryffindor then this would be a good reason for Voldemort to want
to kill James and Harry and not Lily because in fact although Lily
is Harry mother she is actually not a blood relative of the Potter
family. This explains why Harry has no family whatsoever on his father's
side, because they have all been killed by Voldemort. Remember we
know nothing about James' history. There is an old legend that states
that only the heir of Gryffindor (Harry) can kill the heir of Slytherin
(Voldemort). Voldemort's main objective in life is to achieve immortality
so he must kill Harry to do this. Harry being the heir would explain
why Dumbledore is so kind to Harry, because Dumbledore wants Voldemort
dead and Harry has the best chance of achieving this. (jsattary)
If you read the books carefully, it's all there from the very beginning.
And when you think about it, it makes perfect sense. If Tom Riddle/Voldemort
is the Heir of Slytherin, then Harry Potter MUST be the Heir of Gryffindor.
But perhaps you need further convincing.
It can't be as simple as that, you say. So I offer you these three
PROOF NUMBER ONE: THE NAME OF HARRY'S
The name of the town where Lily and James
Potter lived and died, and where Harry was born, is named "Godric's
Hollow." You see the connection? "Godric" as in "Godric
Gryffindor," one of the four founders of Hogwarts. It CAN'T
be a coincidence.
It makes sense, of course. James and Lily
Potter would want to live in a town with a magical history, possibly
even a town founded by a wizard who might have been one of James
Potter's ancestors. Perhaps James and Lily specifically returned
to Godric's Hollow hoping that they would be safe from Voldemort
in their ancestral home.
PROOF NUMBER TWO: THE SWORD OF GODRIC
In "Chamber of Secrets," after
Harry pulls the sword of Godric Gryffindor from the Sorting Hat
to kill the basilisk, Dumbledore tells him, "Only a true Gryffindor
could have pulled that sword from the hat."
We assume, in reading this, that Dumbledore
means that Harry was able to pull the Gryffindor sword from the
hat because he was a true member of Gryffindor House. But what if
Dumbledore means--QUITE LITERALLY--that Harry Potter is a true Gryffindor,
a descendent of Godric Gryffindor? What if Dumbledore means that
only someone of
Godric Gryffindor's lineage could have pulled the sword from the
PROOF NUMBER THREE: THE DEATH OF LILY
In "Sorcerer's Stone," Voldemort
indicates to Harry that, when he attacked the Potter family, he
wanted to kill James and Harry--but did NOT wish to kill Lily Potter.
In the Mirror of Erised's chamber, Voldemort
tells Harry, "I killed your father first. He put up a courageous
fight. But your mother needn't have died--she was trying to protect
Why would Voldemort, who kills wizards without
a thought, come after James and Harry Potter, but not Lily? Well,
here we have to do a bit of speculation.
We all know that Voldemort has a specific
reason, as yet unrevealed, for wanting Harry Potter dead. When he
is recovering in the hospital wing in "Sorcerer's Stone,"
Harry asks Dumbledore, "Voldemort said he only killed my mother
because she tried to stop him from killing me. But why would he
want to kill me in the first place?"
Dumbledore answers, "Alas, the first
thing you ask me, I cannot tell you. Not today. Not now. You will
know one day. Put it from your mind for now, Harry. When you are
older--I know you hate to hear this--when you are ready, you will
In "Goblet of Fire," Voldemort
tells his followers, "You all know my goal--to conquer death."
Perhaps there was something in the Potter family that made Voldemort
think that Harry Potter would someday be a threat to him.
Imagine, if you will, that Voldemort discovered
an ancient prophecy stating that an Heir of Gryffindor would someday
rise up to destroy the Heir of Slytherin. Imagine further that when
Harry Potter was born, something told Voldemort that this baby boy
was the true
Gryffindor heir. (Maybe a star appeared in the east over Godric's
So Voldemort goes after the Potter family.
He kills James first--so a new Gryffindor heir cannot be sired--and
then goes after baby Harry. He has no reason to kill Lily Potter--BECAUSE
SHE IS MUGGLE-BORN AND NOT OF THE GRYFFINDOR LINE, AND THEREFORE
NO THREAT TO HIM. But he kills her when she refuseS to give up her
son. We know the rest. Lily's sacrifice insulates Harry against
the Dark Lord's magic, and Voldemort loses his powers and his body.
So what does this mean for our hero, the
Young Prince, Harry Potter, in future books in this series? Again,
let's speculate a bit here:
Assuming that Harry IS the Heir of Gryffindor,
he's going to discover that fact at some point. And that will probably
lead him into an investigation of his own family history. This investigation
will probably lead him to discover some ancient magic or artifacts,
behind by Godric Gryffindor to help his heir. We know that Salazar
Slytherin left behind the Chamber of Secrets, with the basilisk
inside, to help the Heir of Slytherin continue his campaign to drive
"Mudbloods" from the school. This assumes that Salazar
Slytherin KNEW--a thousand years before the fact--that there would
BE a future Heir of Slytherin to carry on his work. Therefore, it's
reasonable to assume that Godric Gryffindor could also predict the
future, and left behind magic and artifacts at Hogwarts to help
HIS eventual heir.
One artifact which Harry has already found
is the Sword of Gryffindor. Perhaps Godric Gryffindor foresaw that
his heir would eventually discover the basilisk that Salazar Slytherin
had hidden in the Chamber of Secrets, and left the sword inside
the Sorting Hat for his heir to find when he needed it. (What the
heck would a sorcerer like Godric
Gryffindor need with a SWORD anyway? Wouldn't a wizard that powerful
do most of his fighting with his magic wand?)
Another possible "artifact" that
Harry has already discovered is Fawkes the Phoenix. Phoenixes are
basically immortal, continually dying in flames and rising from
their own ashes. It's possible that Fawkes is thousands of years
old, and may have once been the pet bird of Godric Gryffindor. (I
won't get into the question here of which came first, the phoenix
or the egg. I don't like writing long drawn-out tiresome debates
over trivial subjects.)
In "Chamber of Secrets," it is
Fawkes who brings Harry the Sorting Hat with the sword of Godric
Gryffindor inside it. But how did Fawkes himself know that the sword
was inside the hat, or that Harry Potter could pull the Gryffindor
sword from the hat? It's possible that Godric Gryffindor told Fawkes
about the sword in the hat, and instructed the bird to deliver it
to his eventual heir.
As we discovered in "Goblet of Fire,"
Harry's wand will not work properly against Voldemort's wand, since
both wands contain a feather from Fawkes the phoenix. So it's reasonable
to assume that, in future books, Harry will be searching for new
ways to take down the Dark Lord. Now, what if Harry should come
across an ancient text describing the final battle between Salazar
Slytherin and Harry's ancestor, Godric Gryffindor. And what if Harry
discovered that Godric Gryffindor defeated Salazar Slytherin using
something called, oh, say, the Green Flame Torch (the reputed title
for Book Six). Perhaps this will lead Harry into a search to rediscover
the long-lost ancient magic of the Green Flame Torch, a torch which
will enable Harry to finally destroy Lord Voldemort.
Now, here's the kicker! What if Harry
Potter is a true Heir of Gryffindor, BUT NOT THE SOLE SURVIVING
HEIR OF THE GRYFFINDOR LINE?!
It's possible that Voldemort knew, from an
ancient prophecy, that a descendent of Gryffindor would be his downfall,
but that he didn't know it would be Harry Potter. In "Sorcerer's
Stone," Hagrid tells Harry that Voldemort killed some of the
best wizards of the day--"the McKinnons, the Bones, the Prewitts."
What if Voldemort, in addition
to consolidating his powers, was killing off these wizard families
because they were related to Godric Gryffindor?
If Voldemort was only halfway down his list
of Gryffindor descendents when he came to eliminate the Potter family,
he might have left alive some Gryffindor descendents that he never
got the chance to kill. Maybe Harry and James Potter were not the
last of the Gryffindor family line. If so, maybe Harry will discover
that he is distantly-related to some of the surviving wizard families.
He could discover that some of his classmates at Hogwarts are actually
his distant cousins. Perhaps Harry will find that he is distantly-related
to the Weasleys, or even the Longbottoms. Or a new First Year student
could come to Hogwarts, and Harry could discover that this young
wizard is a distant relation.
Whatever happens, lets hope we don't have
Dumbledore telling Harry, "I'm sorry to have kept this secret
from you for so long, but Hermione Granger is your long-lost sister."
One final thought on this matter: If I'm
right, and Harry is the true heir of Godric Gryffindor, does this
mean that Harry is really "the son of Godric?" (R.S.
Or could Harry be an heir of Hogwarts? A descendant of all 4 of the main
Maybe that's why Voldemort's was so
intent on killing Harry. And possibly Dumbledore
may also be a heir of Hogwarts, and that's why Voldemort was afraid
of him, and not wanting another Dumbledore he went out to destroy
the baby Harry, believing the child had no defense against him.
That could be why Dumbledore has actually helped Harry through many
of his adventures. He gives him only little nudges here and there,
it could be seen as trying to get Harry to become the better wizard.
James Potter could
be considered as bloodline from the Gryffindor origine and Lilly
from Slytherin side. Counter argument could be made that Lilly is
muggle born and couldn't be a suspected Slytherin heir. Well from
different books and things on witches and magic, and even in the
Harry Potter books, Magic doesn't follow rules. Sometime magic can
skip generations. Sometimes wizard and witches are born into what
seem to be Muggle families. And the sometimes children of wizard
and witches have children of no ability of magic (Squib). (COS)
And there is also the fact that witches and wizards live for so
long....How many different families do they accumulate in one lifetime?
Like in Voldemort's case how many witches and wizards lost their
spouses once the fact was out about what they truly are. And how
many wizard and witches lost their spouses to death or divorce (if
they do that, which they probaby do.) Okay now back to the point
what if Lilly is a descendant of one of Slytherin's children who
was a squib who married a muggle? (Erich)
Another thing to wonder about is the reason why Harry can
speak Parseltongue, was it simply passed on him by his encounter
with Voldemort or is there more to it?
So it's obvious thus far in the books that, to put it simply,
cats are good and snakes are evil. Consider even the fact that Gryffindors
are lions (cats) and Slytherins are snakes. But here's an interesting
Scientists have noticed that cats seem to imitate snakes as a defence
mechanism. Cats hiss and spit when they are afraid and angry because
most animals have an instinctive fear of snakes, so the intent is
to make predators think the cat is in fact a venomous snake. Also,
a tabby cat curled up and twitching its tail greatly resembles a snake
in the same position. The idea here is to make predators think, again,
that the cat is a venomous snake and not attack it.
Now consider the fact that Harry can make snake sounds and looks like
Tom Riddle, last descendant of Slytherin. Harry bears the same resemblances
to Voldemort that cats bear to snakes. So maybe Harry isn't related
to Voldemort as part of some huge conspiracy theory. Maybe he's just
imitating a snake, the way a true cat (or Gryffindor lion) should..
Part of the reason that people believe
that Harry is Godric Gryffindor's heir is the belief that Fawkes
was once the pet of Godric Gryffindor and Fawkes' feather is contained
in Harry's wand. If this is true then why would the wand destined
for Voldemort, the last heir of Salazaar Slytherin, contain a feather
from the pet of Godric Gryffindor? (Cassie)
ravenclaw...well...raven.... gryffindor's is a lion. Hufflepuff
is the one I have ni idea about. but for Gryffindor. We all know
about J.K.R's usage of french in names and such. Well, Gryffindor,
in french, means griffin of gold. Griffins are mixes of eagles and
lions. Perhaps, the actual animal ISN'T a lion, but actually a griffin
[maybe a mutt: a griffin and lion being it's parents.. 3/4 a lion..with
wings], but you can't tell that because the animals are still drawings...this
is oviously a speculation. (Rosalyn)
The history in time
Assuming year 1 happens in 1997, the various characters are born in
1850 - Dumbledore
1920 - McGonagall
1930 - Tom Riddle
1960 - Snape, James Potter, Lupin, Pettigrew, Black, Lilly Evans
1982 - Percy
1984 - Fred & George
1986 - Harry Potter, Ron, Hermione
1987 - Ginny
Harry is descendant (heir?) of Godric
This is a common theory that holds: He happens to have been sorted
in gryffindor, although the Sorting Hat wanted to put him in Slytherin.
This is because Harry chose to be gryffindor, but this is also an
indication that Harry has a very strong gryffindor value: Voldemort,
being the heir of slytherin has transmitted parts of his power to
Harry. This inheritance must be powerful since he gets it from the
HEIR of slytherin and not just any slytherin, and we know Voldermort
is very powerful. But still, the Gryffindor inheritance is stronger.
So clue 1: The gryffindor heritance is VERY strong
Second, as everybody knows, the Potters also lived in Godric Hollow,
which seems to indicate a possible Gryffindor family line. James
Potter was gryffindor too, he has been Head Boy, he was very close
to Dumbledore (gryffindor as well).
Clue 2: In the family history, gryffindor appears a lot.
Third: Harry was able to get Fawkes and pull the sword of Godric
Gryffindor out of the Hat. Dumbledore says that "only a true
Gryffindor would be able to do that". And here we have Fawkes!
Fawkes is scarlet and gold, (colours of Gryffindor) and can live
forever (he is reborn from his ashes). This leads me to think that
fawkes once belonged to Godric Gryffindor, and is passed along in
the family line. Immediate objection: He presently belongs to Dumbledore??
I think he used to belong to James Potter, but like his other precious
belonging (the invisibility cloak), James left it to Dumbledore
to pass it over to Harry in due time. Another hint in this direction:
Joan Rowling said in an interview that "Harry might have another
pet in the future."
Clue 3: Harry has the markings of a TRUE gryffindor
Clue 3.5 (accept it or not): Harry will inherit a personal
pet from Godric Gryffindor
That all toghether makes it likely that Harry is a descendant of
The power in the Family Line
From the biography (!) of Voldermort, we can infer that some powers
are possible to transmit to the offspring. Indeed, it appears that
Slytherin had a very rare gift (very rare means it's not very likely
you get it by chance), being parseltongue. Since it is rare, and
voldermort is descendant of slytherin, it is possible (or sure,
speak about probabilities..) that Voldermort inherited this gift
through his family line. This means that powers can be transmitted
to children. The next step is to wonder what particular power the
Gryffindor family line can have, and which nice gift Harry has,
even if he hasn't found out yet!
This means, Harry probably has a rare particular gift he hasn't
found out about yet.
The transmission of powers between
From the bio of Voldemort again, and comparing it to the bio of
Harry, it seems possible that when a wizard kills another one he
gets the power(s) of his victim. Why would that be? Well, we know
(from Dumbledore) that Voldemort transferred SOME of his powers
into Harry the night he tried to kill him. I think it is possible
the transferred occurred because Harry merely killed Voldemort.
We know that the socrifice of his mother protected him from the
Avada Kedavra curse, and thanks to that protection, the curse rebonded
on Voldemort. Voldemort was then as good as dead, and only escaped
death thanks to the many protection he built himself against it.
And then, being nearly killed by Harry, his powers were transferred
into Harry. (kind of "Highlander")
When a wizard kills another wizard, the killer gets the power of
James Potter found a way to delay
When Voldermort went to Godric Hollow to attack the Potters, James
stayed in his way while shouting at Lilly to run for it while he
was retaining Voldemort. Then, Harry "heard a rumbling sound
from a neighbouring room", and Voldemort came to kill him.
Lilly plaiding for Harry'slife, Voldermort killed her first before
he attempted to kill Harry. After having put an end to Lilly he
tried to kill Harry and failed, being nearly killed himself. (Besides,
that's how it's shown in movie 1)
On the other hand, when approached by dementors, Harry never hears
his father fighting Voldemort, as it should be if he was killed
after Lilly. Indeed, it's very unlikely that Voldermort killed Lilly
in the same room as Harry was, went to another room to kill James
first and then came back to finish off Harry.
So, Voldemort put the Avada kedavra curse on the Potters in this
order: 1 James, 2 Lilly, 3 Harry.
But then, when Voldemort and Harry
face one another in book 4, James comes out of the wand before Lilly.
This means, James died after Lilly.
And another nice hint, when Dumbledore returns the invisibility
cloak to Harry, he says in his note "your father left this
in my possession before he died". Here we have two possibilities,
either James gave t to Dumbledore long before hand, but I doubt
it, because you can make use of an invisibility cloak when you need
to hide from somebody; or He somehow managed before his death to
make clear to Dumbledore that he(James) wanted him (Dumbledore)
to take care of Harry. At the same time, he would have informed
Dumbledore about his invisibility cloak, and Fawkes.
James didn't die at the moment when Voldemort put the Avada Kedavra
curse on him.
The mysterious Gryffindor power is
related to death/life
The thing is, there is no counter-curse to the Avada Kedavra curse,
as Moody kindly told us in book 4. So James must have a special
availability to be able to delay his death a little such as to fix
his "testimony". Why wouldn't it be related to the Gryffindor
If we agree James is descendant of Gryffindor and has the Gryffindor
power (as well as Voldermort has the slytherin power, being a parseltongue),
he might have an uncommon power, which helps him delay, or at least
fight his own death.
The Gryffindor gift is to delay/fight death.
Why does this hold toghether?
Voldermort wants to kill James and Harry Potter to conquer their
share of the Gryffindor Power. If this power is indeed intended
to put a stopper to death, than it fits along with his wish to get
to immortality. By the very act of killing the Potters, he gains
their power and makes another step toward immortality. This would
be a reason why he didn't have to kill Lilly: she is not a Gryffindor
descendant, so she doesn't have the Gryffindor Gift, and Voldemort
doesn't gain anything in killing her. (Paloma)
No, James came after... in just the
right order... ...Lily even said something like "Hold on, he's
coming"... referring to James of course..... however, there
was NOTHING that came out of the want to indicate a Voldemort/Baby
Harry struggle years ago..... neither came out, nor did any indication
(as did happen with the silver hand)....(Karen)
it says that the sorting hat belonged to godric griffinder,
as did fawkes the phoenix. so what if harry is meant to be in slytherin,
but was put in griffindor because the sorting hat (aka godric griffindor)
wanted him on 'their side'? this would explain harry speaking parseltounge,
and the resembelance to Riddle.
When harry pulls the sword out of the sorting hat, dumbledore says
that only a 'true griffindor' could have done that. well what if
the whole thing was set up to get harry into thinking that voldermort
And what if harry wasn't truly meant to be in griffindor? The sorting
hat was godric griffindors, and people say that fawkes may of been
aswell. what if godric enchanted the sorting hat, so when slytherins
heir came along, it would put them in griffindor, meaning that they
would have a very great wizard 'on their side'.
also, dumbledore is always explaining everything to harry. maybe
this is because he's afraid that if he didn't, harry would work
out the truth- that he was heir of slytherin.
this would also exlain the similarity to tom riddle, and harrys
ability to speak parseltounge.
Maybe, in the future, harry is going to find out the truth, and
will feel betrayed, but in the end will decide to stay with griffindors
side. this will make their side stronger, as slythering heir will
be fighting against their own house.(Ali